******************************************************* * The EduVerse chat session: Sun Jul 30, 2000 1:01 PM * ******************************************************* CyberForum with "Global Brain" author, Howard Bloom blip: hello ommm: hey blip blip: no sound? ommm: how's your Plankton avatar? blip: great HowardB: hello spans1: hi ommm: hello Howard! ommm: Welcome blip: hello Mr.Bloom HowardB: hi HowardB: nice to see you Digigardener: hi all HowardB: is there any way to increase the size of the world in my screen? ommm: hi Digi Digigardener: welcome Howard spans1: gday HowardB: I'v e been here many times but haven't tried it Digigardener: yes just click and hold your mouse down on the border and drag out the border to the right topcat: yo spans how's the dawn down under? HowardB: marvelous, I'm expanded Digigardener: Howard you are in the nexus of the light cone jokester: hello guys Digigardener: Howard you can press your Home and End keys on your keyboard to change perspective ommm: hey jokester HowardB: aha, I see the black cone "Laertes": hi all HowardB: hi spans1: hello HowardB: we are being joined by a television crew Digigardener: you can flap your wings HowardB: I just chose special number one blip: Hey what's with the birds! Digigardener: I am Bruce Damer btw Howard IRL topcat: biology is destiny...for now HowardB: Bruce, your name seems familiar HowardB: what a gorgeous gold flying avatar Digigardener: we might have met Digigardener: I am co director of the contact consortium, did the avatars conferences and wrote a book about avatars, also organize the annual Digital Biota conference and biota.org nemo: hello ommm: later today we will all be Plankton topcat: oh.... HowardB: very neat HowardB: we were discussing avatars and their future earlier in our television interview, as I said, the TV guys are here ommm: hello Hypatia Digigardener: wow who is here, the BBC? Hypatia: hello ommm and all Digigardener: hello Bonnie! HowardB: and want to shoot us HowardB: no, this is Channel Four Britain, Richard Metzger from Disinfo.com and from the show disinfo nation in the UK topcat: old media meets new? HowardB: yes, indeed HowardB: should I tell you want we were talking about? Digigardener: sure! ommm: later we will bob in the ocean like "Plankton" in the Global Brain, we have been creating a Plankton node ommm: these are the first version of Plankton avatars Digigardener: wow is this a new world Mike? HowardB: we were speaking of the fact that we've all been given bodies willy nilly HowardB: not necessarily the bodies we want or that we feel suit us Digigardener: I will be a stromatolite, be above the crowd HowardB: should I switch to Plankton? ommm: it's up to you, Howard ommm: later we will all switch when we go out into deep cyberspace HowardB: yes, but there are other bodies which would suit us, god I love that flying thing, Dig Digigardener: people have very specific feelings of "their" avatar Hypatia: do you have ameliania huxleii? (my personal favorite) HowardB: younger bodies. stronger bodies, sexier bodies, etc Digigardener: well i often think my avatar is my voice, the shape matters less ommm: sometimes a "group body" can be fun, especially if we swim in a school like Plankton
Digigardener: but i often dress as a little kid as i am a big galoot in real life HowardB: and in cyberspace right now we can become such things via the intensity of imagination Digigardener: and i want to find out if i am treated differently HowardB: amazing, never thought of a group body despite the fact that I think of them all the time Digigardener: you also have avatars embodied by shared sound or voice ommm: notice that the Plankton around us now are practicing HowardB: strange ommm: they are bobbing up and down slowly (numeric Plus,. Minus keys) ommm: that is the Plankton swim Digigardener: howard if you go "out of body" and rotate with the left or right arrows you can see the whole crowd Digigardener: get an idea for the cloud of people HowardB: hmmmmm, my pluses and minuses don't work Digigardener: use the little buttons on the toolbar at the top ommm: yes, a cloud of people, not a crowd, hehe HowardB: a cloud of people would be neat, is that plankton? Digigardener: the Eye/Camera combo Hypatia: (bobbing quite fun) ommm: nemo: there are sounds to this space, if you turn on the sound settings HowardB: the sound is of a ringing gong, n'est-ce pas? topcat: yes nemo: yup spans1: I stay silent so as not to wake the sleepers nemo: it's kind of annoying.. ommm: yes, the welcome Gong HowardB: hello gong Digigardener: a kind of Ommmm sound? nemo: maybe if it were chirping birds ommm: it's only pleasing for a couple minutes HowardB: when does our conversation commence? Digigardener: I think it has :) ommm: are you ready, Howard? HowardB: yes, by all means HowardB: one word of caution HowardB: I've had a relapse of my CFS HowardB: so am a bit slow HowardB: bear with, California ommm: we welcome an author for our series "The Avatar and the Global Brain" who has actually written a book called "The Global Brain" ommm: the author is Howard Bloom, who is also the author of the book "The Lucifer Principle" Digigardener: got an URL for yourself, Howard, we can explore? nemo: kewl. HowardB: hi, all HowardB: yes: www.howardbloom.net ommm: Howard describes a biological theory that is much broader ommm: than the idea described by our previous speakers from Principia Cybernetica nemo: hi again Howard ommm: Howard, can you tell us a bit how your views differ from Principia ommm: I know you do support and cite them in your work HowardB: i have a very different point of view from that of the Global Brain study group HowardB: on the Principia HowardB: I'm glad to have colleagues HowardB: however they look to the future and predict an electronic global brain HowardB: one empowered by computers HowardB: I look to the past and to our current biology and culture HowardB: and say we've had a global brain HowardB: for almost as long as we've had a globe nemo: maybe like an evolving global brain.. HowardB: yes
HowardB: the earth is 4.5 billion years old blip: right on HowardB: and the global brain is 3.5 billion years old ommm: do you subscribe to the Gaia hypothesis? HowardB: no topcat: uh-huh HowardB: however the evolutionary biologists HowardB: David Sloan Wilson HowardB: calls my view a Gaia of human minds blip: Could you explain? HowardB: he says that Robert Wright also supports the view of a human Gaia nemo: what's the meaning of Gaia? HowardB: however let me take you back HowardB: 3.5 billion years HowardB: Gaia means earth mother nemo: ?? HowardB: the goddess off spans1: Didn't Yeats the poet cal it Spiritus Mundi (scuse my Latin nemo: oh. nemo: like mother earth topcat: where are you drawing the line between 'human' and general consciousness? HowardB: Spiritus Mundi may well be the spirit of the world HowardB: hang on a bit, ok Digigardener: yes it was a different world, no free oxygen in the atmosphere HowardB: lemme splain a bit Digigardener: oceans full of silt nemo: silt? HowardB: I'd like to take you back 3.5 billion years nemo: hehe. spans1: Mind is like a sea . we are all rivers HowardB: to the reign of bacteria HowardB: and possibly silt HowardB: sea was where the action was Digigardener: cyanobacteria, prokaryotes, stromatolites HowardB: yes HowardB: all three HowardB: you've got it Digigardener: you would need a spacesuit to visit the earth then HowardB: a colony of bacteria less the size of the palm of your hand HowardB: was an active mind of a kind HowardB: what my colleague Eshel Ben Jacob HowardB: calls a creative web HowardB: each citizen, each cell had a "calculator" a "processor" at its center HowardB: its genome nemo: hmm... virt: the metaphors of AW etc then HowardB: all the genomes were linked chemically HowardB: all data shared HowardB: but each colony, again less than the size of your palm Digigardener: and even some bits of the DNA traveling through that matrix between individuals HowardB: contained trillions of citizens HowardB: more than there have ever been humans on the face of this planet HowardB: all data sharing, all problem solving Digigardener: and that was just one colony HowardB: yes HowardB: all acting like massively parallel computer components HowardB: and to build just one stromatolite HowardB: the size of your average twin mattress HowardB: took billions of colonies HowardB: yet these colonies were globally linked Digigardener: the worlds first water bed :) HowardB: LOL nemo: rofl
HowardB: they passed information HowardB: over huge distances blip: information? HowardB: through the waters, the currents, and the seas HowardB: yes blip: about what? HowardB: new solutions to novel problems could be summed up HowardB: in DNA fragments nomad: It does not seem like you are distinguishing between "mind", as in a being something that has mere intelligence. blip: problems? HowardB: bacteria are brilliant collective problem solvers HowardB: for example if you strand a bacterial colony HowardB: on a plate of silicate HowardB: which is inedible to bacteria] HowardB: the bacteria will literally work together HowardB: and reengineer their genome HowardB: to allow them to metabolize the stuff HowardB: then the reworked pieces of DNA HowardB: like changeable hard drives can be swapped HowardB: swapped not just locally but globally HowardB: so that the new miracle solution of the moment HowardB: can be passed from a bacterial colony in Australia HowardB: to one in Michigan HowardB: with a lot of stops along the way Digigardener: and bacteria existed deep in the Earth's crust and floated on the "ocean of the air" in the atmosphere Digigardener: bacteria are king still, we live in the "age of bacteria" even now spans1: its happening right now folks topcat: forgive me for jumping on this again, but what role of intent, consciousness or mind *can* we really attribute to prehistoric bacteria at this stage? Digigardener: adaptability
HowardB: we can't HowardB: no mind HowardB: no consciousness HowardB: but extraordinary intelligence HowardB: remember blip: Can we describe it in these terms? HowardB: we don't know what mind or consciousness is HowardB: yes (agreeing with topcat....self awareness...self reflexivity?) blip: really? HowardB: adaptability beyond the nth degree virt: yeah, what about topcat's question Digigardener: quite a beautiful machine blip: machine!!!!! blip: ??? HowardB: they do have self-reflexivity HowardB: which is why HowardB: Eshel Ben Jacob HowardB: believes they DO have consciousness HowardB: and he's worked out a physicist's way of proving it topcat: like in a cybernetic sense? HowardB: yes, exactly HowardB: but being someone who comes from psychology HowardB: among other disciplines HowardB: I beg to disagree nemo: hmm... HowardB: self reflexivity blip: ??? topcat: yes that's a long way to go to Tipperary if you catch my drift HowardB: yes HowardB: exactly HowardB: and a language-like vocabulary HowardB: is not having a consciousness HowardB: though Eshel who has done magnificent bacterial work HowardB: would disagree with me nomad: So what is "being" . . . human being, for you? HowardB: there you have the original global brain blip: Explain Consciousness topcat: lol blip: please virt: wow blip HowardB: there are a few biological consequences we bear within ourselves HowardB: which make us modules of a global brain too HowardB: would you like to hear about them? ommm: let's move out into deep cyberspace ommm: for this next onslaught of questions ommm: Blip has agreed to lead us into the dark ommm: so we can bob like Plankton as we talk HowardB: ok HowardB: darkness here we come blip: follow me!!
topcat: I am following you blip ommm: go slow, blip ommm: we're coming after you Digigardener: ok time to move along team ommm: use your Shift key if you have to go through something blip: going down topcat: nice sound change out here Hypatia: ahhhhhhh......mmmm Digigardener: someone don't forget to take screen shots and chat log ::) topcat: blip speak from time to time ommm: am getting some shots Digigardener: you can add Blip to your Contacts and join hi Digigardener: click on he contacts tab on the left, right click in the space and Add blip: Hi ommm: whoops I've lost blip Digigardener: is Howard with us? ommm: Join topcat: pitch black virt: cant see hb ommm: where's Howard? blip: uh-oh
ommm: stay here blip virt: lost in cyberspace! blip: HOWARD!! ommm: i'll find him Digigardener: this is one aspect of the global brain.. getting lost! HowardB: how do I go down? ommm: now click on the green landing strip HowardB: descending HowardB: aha Digigardener: you just had your first experience of "warping" Hypatia: welcome back HB HowardB: good HowardB: thanks
HowardB: now shall we resume on what biologically makes us components? HowardB: of a collective intelligence ommm: by all means, let's talk on please, Howard ommm: this spot is the belly of the whale and we are the plankton HowardB: amazing, I've been using HowardB: the belly of the whale analogy a lot recently HowardB: ok, in a neural net HowardB: which is a classic learning machine HowardB: the thing functions like this HowardB: set a neural net a problem and ask it to solve it HowardB: just like the problems organisms have to solve all the time HowardB: the neural net HowardB: will try out various combinations and permutations of its switch points HowardB: its nodes HowardB: until it begins to approach an answer HowardB: even minimally HowardB: then it will turn up the juice HowardB: the electricity HowardB: to the nodes which are aiding in the solution HowardB: and turn down the juice, the resources of the system HowardB: to the nodes or combination of nodes which are not contributing to a solution HowardB: it will also transfer a resource other than electricity HowardB: it will transfer influence to the nodes which are helping in the HowardB: solution of the problem HowardB: it will do so by HowardB: increasing the number of connections from other nodes to the nodes solving a bit of the problem HowardB: it will continue to make these adjustments HowardB: as more and more of the nodes are swept collectively HowardB: toward the solution and away from their brethren spans1: how does the system judge what is a successful solution? HowardB: which simply can't seem to get a grip HowardB: on what's going on Digigardener: it survives.. Hypatia: synhistanai extraordinaire... Digigardener: Darwinian natural selection blip: Order is the most efficient means of generation with in a chaotic/static medium? HowardB: the idea of which gets a grip and which doesn't is built into the system by the maker, I believe HowardB: you need order, or what HowardB: I call conformity enforcers HowardB: to get other nodes to go in line with the problem solvers Hypatia: or strange attractors in chaotic terms nomad: In The Lucifer Principle, you say that humans are just "components of a massive learning machine.", which he characterize as a "neural net" . . . but who is doing the "learning"? In this case it is not so much us, but the neural network that we constitute, in which love and war, pain and pleasure, democracy and dictatorship, all the trials, tribulations, and struggles of humanity only serve to perfect nature's evolutionary program, a program that is ultimately indifferent to our lot
HowardB: and you need what I call diversity generators blip: inevitability? Digigardener: is Darwinian selection therefore an overly simplified model? for the emergence of behavior HowardB: hang on, I'll answer who is doing the learning in a second HowardB: yes, indifferent to us as individuals HowardB: but that doesn't mean we have a right to be indifferent HowardB: the system of which we are a part may shun us HowardB: and turn on our inner judges nomad: all the trials, tribulations, and struggles of humanity only serve to perfect nature's evolutionary program, a program that is ultimately indifferent to our lot in the brutal "pecking order" that it produces. So then, what will be our fate in the "gl HowardB: those self destruct or self reward devices HowardB: which exist inside of us and make us equivalents to the nodes in the neural net nomad: Global brain? HowardB: but hang on topcat: your cut and paste having problems nomad? HowardB: let me describe a bit more nomad: Yup HowardB: when we sense that we are not on top of things nomad: ;) HowardB: when we sense a lack of control HowardB: that WE can't control our own destiny or our own place socially HowardB: horrible things happen to us internally HowardB: like nodes in the neural net not adding to the solution of a problem Digigardener: unless we are Zen Buddhists HowardB: we internally shut down spans1: yeah like getting lost in here HowardB: perhaps topcat: frustrations of all sorts? HowardB: but remember HowardB: a lot of folks go into Zen because they feel powerless and displaced HowardB: however some examples HowardB: if we feel powerless blip: must we be conscious of it? HowardB: we are hit with a burst of internal stress hormones HowardB: no, not conscious HowardB: but it is useful to be conscious of these things, more HowardB: we also have a decrement HowardB: a decrease in our perceptual ability blip: Can we understand what WE are HowardB: if there are solutions we can't see them HowardB: our immune systems are turned down to low HowardB: we become susceptible to disease HowardB: we begin to give off social repulsion cues HowardB: all these things also happen in bacteria by the way HowardB: some of our brain cells in the amygdala HowardB: are killed off blip: I'm feeling a little reduced... HowardB: and since we are giving off negative social cues HowardB: others begin to shun us HowardB: nobody loves you when you're down and out HowardB: the song gives the whole algorithm in a nutshell
topcat: aren't you concerned about anthropomorphizing bacteria some? ommm: nobody loves the plankton ommm: like a whale Digigardener: so Howard how does human technology fit into this, is it a biological creation, what is life trying to express here? HowardB: when you've got your hands on a dollar again e HowardB: everybody wants to be your long lost friend HowardB: ummmmm, WE are life trying to express itself HowardB: bacteria do not have consciousness HowardB: we do HowardB: if we come to understand these internal mechanisms and how blip: ?????? HowardB: they help a group learn Digigardener: memetic life = consciousness, is consciousness like the h and sized colony of memes? spans1: what about machines and consciousness? HowardB: how they create a collective intelligence blip: Explain consciousness HowardB: yes, memes are an aspect of consciousness HowardB: I mean we are aware topcat: cool, ommm, spinning looks great! HowardB: we can ask questions HowardB: we can hold dialogs HowardB: other animals can't do this HowardB: we can come to understand nature blip: really? Hypatia: that is communication though, not self awareness HowardB: we can come to understand the subtleties HowardB: of a biological global brain blip: really? nomad: But will we be food for the "bloody bitch", nature, in your Global brain scenario? HowardB: not if I can help it HowardB: no Digigardener: what about artificial life, digital biota, is that a new expression of life, in a non chemical medium? Digigardener: it is artifice or authentic life? HowardB: it is an extremely important expression HowardB: of something on its way to life Hypatia: we are the neurons? or the synapses? what is the metaphor? virt: yeah, it seems to me that there is a problem here in the relationship between biology and psychology
HowardB: yes HowardB: we are the neurons in the collective brain HowardB: how so, a problem in relationship between HowardB: biology and psychology? Hypatia: microtubules, perhaps? HowardB: yes, we operate on the same principle as microtubules HowardB: to he who hath HowardB: it shall be given HowardB: from he who hath not Hypatia: good I can get my hands around that analogy HowardB: even what he hath shall be taken a way virt: can mind be reduced to biology? HowardB: no HowardB: here's why spans1: is this a justification for capitalism? HowardB: this is a universe in which one and one make three topcat: I agree with virt...isn't there a problem with mixing the scales of micro and so on into a big mix that sounds good but doesn't correspond to actual phenomena? HowardB: we can dissect one A and one B HowardB: ummmm, no HowardB: this is a fractal universe HowardB: the same patterns show up on the micro and the macro level HowardB: we didn't make it so HowardB: and it's not an artifact of our perception blip: Have you seen them HowardB: I wish I could show you the visuals HowardB: I've collected showing the same things showing up on the micro and macro level HowardB: from one celled organisms to galactic clusters HowardB: you'd be amazed nomad: The history . . . the story of evolution that you have told, does not seem to hold out much hope for the individual as a cell in a global super-organism, you must admit . . . Hypatia: (it's the medium level that's the problem...) HowardB: it holds lots of hope for the individual topcat: But repeatedly we have instances throughout science history of this precise tendency to project. we are pattern finders as a species but maybe it's a bigger picture than that HowardB: every year we turn out new technologies, which further empower the individual Digigardener: getting linear human brains around colonial mass effects is the real issue; we are only starting to comprehend this HowardB: hang on, let me address topcat: maybe there remain further levels to see and resolve HowardB: the question of anthropomorphism blip: what individual? Digigardener: if we were a beehive intelligence this would be second nature HowardB: one question at a time, ok? topcat: Batman: Pow! Blam! HowardB: anthropomorphism next HowardB: are we anthropomorphizing bacteria:? HowardB: no HowardB: here's why HowardB: it's bacteria who first went through the things I've described Hypatia: are you bacterializing us anthropoi? topcat: lol Hypat HowardB: the word anthropomorphism HowardB: is a manifestation of hubris HowardB: taken to the nth degree HowardB: it is the sign of an anthropocentrism we need to overcome Hypatia: hooo hooo I get it! HowardB: when we see the patterns of attraction and repulsion HowardB: showing up HowardB: on the level of subatomic particles in the big bang HowardB: in the inanimate evolution of stars HowardB: and in the operations of bacterial colonies nomad: I have heard statistics that show that people are feeling less and less empowered to affect political change . . . HowardB: and clasping of shunning are a part of each pattern HowardB: to ascribe that pattern only to humans HowardB: is a bit absurd, HowardB: it's anthropocentrism Hypatia: good avatars for this talk for sure! blip: Life=physics? HowardB: yes, the patterns of life first show up in the first instance of the big bang HowardB: then repeat fractally HowardB: on level after level of complexity nomad: Many people point to globalization as the reason . . . because it has few democratic levers. topcat: tho that would not be a very descriptive assertion regarding human emotional capacities Hypatia: yes, yes! then geometrically speaking, for those of us that exhibit mere bilateral symmetry... we have much to learn from the "higher" forms of life that are radially symmetric? virt: ok, it is good to hear that everything is social from the big bang and on HowardB: ok, I've had my say, now, if my fingers hold up blip: Can you further reduce life to terms of physics?
HowardB: no HowardB: we have a lot to learn from everything around us blip: why not HowardB: life is something whose nature we cannot yet describe Hypatia: lots of radial symmetry out there... HowardB: because one and one make three topcat: of course there is indeed much to learn from nature, no doubt about it HowardB: and describing the three is hard stuff blip: ??? HowardB: give me another second or two Hypatia: this one and one make three, can you detail that a bit more? HowardB: we are talking here about emergent properties HowardB: when you put together HowardB: a proton, a neutron, and an electron HowardB: you get something you'd never be HowardB: able to describe Hypatia: oops I think there is no "one" blip: Fractal Universe, no? HowardB: and whose properties you'd never be able to predict Hypatia: it is already multiples blip: chaotic, no? HowardB: from just the properties of the three entities Hypatia: you get six relationships... HowardB: you get from a proton a neutron and electron an atom HowardB: something radically new blip: Bifurication HowardB: with whole new properties Hypatia: exponential radiant growth? virt: and what about contingency HowardB: the opposite of bifurcation more like exponential creative growth blip: ? HowardB: contingency is at a minimum in the early universe HowardB: the number of choices is few blip: explain creativity HowardB: either you are one of the nine forms of a quark or you are a lepton HowardB: or you are nothing at all Digigardener: the primary method of "communication" in the early universe may have been sound HowardB: back to the atom, ok? Digigardener: before nuclei separated Digigardener: one big voice HowardB: there was communication from the beginning, but first more on emergent properties, ok? HowardB: the first atoms didn't come to be until spans1: creativity = recreation + diversity HowardB: this universe was 300,000 years old HowardB: I like the diversity equation HowardB: ok, so at 300,000 ab HowardB: after the Big Bang HowardB: suddenly we took a leap upward in emergent properties, topcat: thanks....talk to you soon! HowardB: the utter unpredictability HowardB: nay HowardB: the seeming impossibility HowardB: of atoms was born HowardB: next came a twist HowardB: in emergent property HowardB: equally amazing Digigardener: If you look at the work of Richard Gordon on sound waves affecting early embryo development HowardB: atoms joined HowardB: and in their conjugation HowardB: produced infinitely more unpredictable and unimaginable complexities HowardB: emergence is a sort of cosmic magic blip: emergent properties= inevitable combinations to form orders of matter? Digigardener: there is a parallel with sound waves in the early universe Digigardener: we have to wait for MAP to be launched next year to find out I guess :) blip: ? HowardB: yes, parallel with sound waves in the early big bang blip: unknown Digigardener: emergence in embryos = emergence elsewhere, all the same model? HowardB: which resonated the gongs HowardB: with pressure waves ommm: hehe HowardB: yes Digigardener: yes indeed! HowardB: the same model Hypatia: overtones... HowardB: wonderful and awesome new results Digigardener: Gordon's book is at: Digigardener: http://www.wspc.com.sg/books/lifesci/2755.html HowardB: and yes, sound and its properties, the music of the universe has something to do with this Digigardener: see him under people at: http://www.biota.org/people/index.html HowardB: could someone please email me that url? HowardB: I'm wearing out Digigardener: i will do that :) HowardB: cfs you know HowardB: any questions? virt: Ok, thanks ommm: Howard has just given us a tour of the universe... HowardB: a mini tour ommm: a vast perspective on a giant fractal cosmos nomad: Howard . . . we get the picture . . . we have read your articles, books, etc. You have articulated a very compelling cosmology. spans1: ? yes all of the above blip: Don't you need a medium for waves?
HowardB: i'd like to give you the maxi tour sometime HowardB: thanks ommm: thank you so much for navigating this deep dark space ommm: with us today ommm: you have given a different twist to the global brain that we are studying HowardB: yes blip: or is that all matter nomad: However, is the notion of a global brain not just another meme, the genetics of a possible future, that could give rise to a fundamentalist wire in the head kind of collectivism? nomad: Hmm. . . yes . . . thanks. Digigardener: universe = sound emerging to meme? Hypatia: most stimulating tour -- would like to see the future scenario ommm: and we are grateful for your participation in this ongoing series HowardB: then let's do it again and change the focus HowardB: to the future virt: good questions, thrilling answers! HowardB: yes, very good questions spans1: sound of plankton clapping Digigardener: thanks for very thought provoking lines! Hypatia: thanks, Howard, and thanks again OMMM -- always fascinating! HowardB: I appreciate your inviting me ommm: let's hear it for Howard, (do Plankton clap, clap, swish?) HowardB: ahhhhhhhhh Digigardener: hey another great set of thoughts reverberate in avatar cyberspace Hypatia: appppppllllauuussseee nomad: yes. thanks. virt: calp, clap etc etc blip: Thanks Mr. Bloom!!! HowardB: a mighty bow to you all ') ommm: tomorrow the logs will go up for us to ponder and digest further HowardB: I shall sign off now but look forward to hearing more from you, ok? ommm: and we will link your online work, Howard HowardB: thanks HowardB: bye for now blip: bye virt: bye mr b nomad: bye Hypatia: Can't wait to see your new book, Howard Hypatia: when is release date? Digigardener: me pleasure matey! virt: bye all, c u! ommm: bye now ommm: thanks for coming
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